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		<title>By: madeOceaxia</title>
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		<description>Very interesting blog. I like to utilize my   modest  treasury  A joke for you!   How can you have bread if you are on a liquid diet? Drink a toast!!</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Humphreys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Humphreys</dc:creator>
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		<description>Here is the abstract for the paper that I will deliver at the PIA National Congress in Perth, 1st May. We are also expecting some activity aroundthe BAVPPer idea, when Gordon Price (of Vancouver) visits Brisbane in February / March
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“Latitude Latitude Attitude: The BAVPPer Manifesto”

Jeff Humphreys

Principal, Humphreys Reynolds Perkins Planning Consultants; 
Adjunct Professor, University of Queensland

Abstract
As suggested by the organiser’s theme for this conference, planners are often looking beyond the place where they work for models that will assist them to plan and deliver better urban environmental outcomes. In many cases, we are looking at exemplars that are small scale and not dependent upon features of the city setting that are similar. So, for example, planners can go around the world for examples of inner city urban renewal projects, waterfront redevelopment and transit-oriented development. However, cities are complex beasts, and there are often features about different cities that make their planning problems and challenges different from others, and reduce the transferability of solutions that have been developed, to other settings. There is an implication in the choice of the Conference topic, that climate may provide a distinguishing feature, in looking for relevant exemplars for Perth. (So how did Vancouver sneak in?) This paper suggests that in searching for relevant exemplars, it is appropriate to adopt an attitude of latitude about latitude, because there are other factors that are more important. The paper proposes that if searching for relevant exemplars for Perth, there is a particular affinity between Brisbane, Auckland, Vancouver, Portland and Perth, (The BAVPPer cities), that is useful for planners from those places to explore.

Why these five?
•	Similar size
•	Prosperous New World cities
•	British Commonwealth! (Portland was added after a meeting in Vancouver in July 2006 – the essential quality is the underpinning implicit common assumptions about the relationship between the public domain and the private domain)
•	High growth rates

The paper presents the BAVPPer Manifesto, first circulated in May 2006, explores the potential value of studying these cities together and proposes initiatives for advancing a collaborative approach to addressing the urban planning opportunities and challenges of these wonderful cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the abstract for the paper that I will deliver at the PIA National Congress in Perth, 1st May. We are also expecting some activity aroundthe BAVPPer idea, when Gordon Price (of Vancouver) visits Brisbane in February / March<br />
&#8230;<br />
“Latitude Latitude Attitude: The BAVPPer Manifesto”</p>
<p>Jeff Humphreys</p>
<p>Principal, Humphreys Reynolds Perkins Planning Consultants;<br />
Adjunct Professor, University of Queensland</p>
<p>Abstract<br />
As suggested by the organiser’s theme for this conference, planners are often looking beyond the place where they work for models that will assist them to plan and deliver better urban environmental outcomes. In many cases, we are looking at exemplars that are small scale and not dependent upon features of the city setting that are similar. So, for example, planners can go around the world for examples of inner city urban renewal projects, waterfront redevelopment and transit-oriented development. However, cities are complex beasts, and there are often features about different cities that make their planning problems and challenges different from others, and reduce the transferability of solutions that have been developed, to other settings. There is an implication in the choice of the Conference topic, that climate may provide a distinguishing feature, in looking for relevant exemplars for Perth. (So how did Vancouver sneak in?) This paper suggests that in searching for relevant exemplars, it is appropriate to adopt an attitude of latitude about latitude, because there are other factors that are more important. The paper proposes that if searching for relevant exemplars for Perth, there is a particular affinity between Brisbane, Auckland, Vancouver, Portland and Perth, (The BAVPPer cities), that is useful for planners from those places to explore.</p>
<p>Why these five?<br />
•	Similar size<br />
•	Prosperous New World cities<br />
•	British Commonwealth! (Portland was added after a meeting in Vancouver in July 2006 – the essential quality is the underpinning implicit common assumptions about the relationship between the public domain and the private domain)<br />
•	High growth rates</p>
<p>The paper presents the BAVPPer Manifesto, first circulated in May 2006, explores the potential value of studying these cities together and proposes initiatives for advancing a collaborative approach to addressing the urban planning opportunities and challenges of these wonderful cities.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Humphreys</title>
		<link>http://cityalliance.wordpress.com/2006/07/26/the-humphrey-manifesto/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Humphreys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interested to read comments by Jarrett and Guy, and to catch up with both in the space of a week in Brisbane! 
I think it is probably  more important to work out what to do to make this idea useful, that to debate whether other cities should be included instead. The proposition is not that other places do not have something to teach us - we might, if we explore these five, learn more about the importance of other factors, in providing exemplars. I have spoken to John Minnery at UQ about whether to do some research, but we haven&#039;t gone anywhere with that yet. However, he is interesed, and likewise Michael Gunder, when I visited him in Auckland after I visited Vancouver in July, expressed interest. But what to do?
I have submitted a paper to the PIA Congress committee for the National Congress in Perth in May 2007, titled (catchily) &quot;Latitude Latitude Attitude&quot;. The theme of the conference is looking at different cities of the 32 Parallel (plus Vancouver, for some reason) Santiago, San Diego, Shanghai, Capetown and Perth, and I have proposed that there should be an attitude of greater latitude about latitude, when looking for exemplars, as that is not as important as the factors underpinning the BAVPPer Alliance. Anyway, the paper is yet to be accepted, but perhaps the Congress in Perth is a good place to hold a discussion about all of this, and I promise to have thought about where to go with it, and possibly to have done something, before then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interested to read comments by Jarrett and Guy, and to catch up with both in the space of a week in Brisbane!<br />
I think it is probably  more important to work out what to do to make this idea useful, that to debate whether other cities should be included instead. The proposition is not that other places do not have something to teach us &#8211; we might, if we explore these five, learn more about the importance of other factors, in providing exemplars. I have spoken to John Minnery at UQ about whether to do some research, but we haven&#8217;t gone anywhere with that yet. However, he is interesed, and likewise Michael Gunder, when I visited him in Auckland after I visited Vancouver in July, expressed interest. But what to do?<br />
I have submitted a paper to the PIA Congress committee for the National Congress in Perth in May 2007, titled (catchily) &#8220;Latitude Latitude Attitude&#8221;. The theme of the conference is looking at different cities of the 32 Parallel (plus Vancouver, for some reason) Santiago, San Diego, Shanghai, Capetown and Perth, and I have proposed that there should be an attitude of greater latitude about latitude, when looking for exemplars, as that is not as important as the factors underpinning the BAVPPer Alliance. Anyway, the paper is yet to be accepted, but perhaps the Congress in Perth is a good place to hold a discussion about all of this, and I promise to have thought about where to go with it, and possibly to have done something, before then.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 08:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the idea is certainly worth discussing in more detail, and I’m keen to be involved.  Choice of cities is obviously crucial.  As I pointed out in my paper to the Queensland State planning conference last year:

&#039;...planners are drawn to the foreign and novel; hence the number of study trips to the west coast of North America or Europe to study physical forms (and planning policies) that are grounded in completely different climates, cultures, markets and institutional arrangements.&#039;

At least Jeff has tried to identify some real comparisons to Brisbane.  I’ve long held the view that most such comparatives are chosen on the basis of superficial similarities or even worse, on the in-bound planning tourist experience, hence we have study trips to Vancouver, Seattle and Portland because they’re ‘nice’ but not to Houston, Phoenix or Durban, even though they might have much more to teach us.  I think that Jeff might have underestimated the importance of climate and overestimated the importance of culture / legal arrangements etc. (although I largely agree with his central propositions re this, too).
The US might also provide some useful comparisons (despite the cultural differences), for a few reasons:
1.	many ‘suitably sized’ cities in the US have similar climates to Brisbane and Perth and some are more similar to us in some respects (e.g. % social housing, subdivision techniques, ethnicity, density) than some Canadian (or NZ) jurisdictions, although some are very different indeed, particularly with respect to race;
2.	the US is merely ‘further along the curve’ with respect to some trends than Australian (or European) cities, rather than being subject to fundamentally different development forces (again, this is not a general observation; it holds true for fewer trends in my view than many Australian developers would acknowledge);
3.	because the US is seen as such a strong model by Australian developers (even if this is overstated as noted above) there is an element of ‘self-fulfilling prophesy’ to forecasts about Australia following US trends, however, this does not diminish the impact of such ‘follow the leader’ behaviour.  The US-based (and US-centric, though becoming less so) ULI remains the most important source of information to Australian developers about real estate trends;
4.	perhaps some of the differences (e.g. in institutional arrangements, culture, etc.) will have as much to teach us as the similarities?
5.	Dr Doug McTaggert of QIC often makes reference to the ‘Anglo economies’ for comparisons, because the economic performance of the US, UK, Canada and Australia (he doesn’t include NZ!) are so closely tied together.  Given that real estate development and economic conditions generally are also closely related, it might be worth selecting a basket of cities from the Anglo economies (including NZ of course!)
A number of others have pointed out that &#039;the Portland planning story&#039; is largely a marketing phenomenon, so I won&#039;t belabour the point; I will merely suggest that we attempt to identify some useful US comparitors in a systematic fashion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the idea is certainly worth discussing in more detail, and I’m keen to be involved.  Choice of cities is obviously crucial.  As I pointed out in my paper to the Queensland State planning conference last year:</p>
<p>&#8216;&#8230;planners are drawn to the foreign and novel; hence the number of study trips to the west coast of North America or Europe to study physical forms (and planning policies) that are grounded in completely different climates, cultures, markets and institutional arrangements.&#8217;</p>
<p>At least Jeff has tried to identify some real comparisons to Brisbane.  I’ve long held the view that most such comparatives are chosen on the basis of superficial similarities or even worse, on the in-bound planning tourist experience, hence we have study trips to Vancouver, Seattle and Portland because they’re ‘nice’ but not to Houston, Phoenix or Durban, even though they might have much more to teach us.  I think that Jeff might have underestimated the importance of climate and overestimated the importance of culture / legal arrangements etc. (although I largely agree with his central propositions re this, too).<br />
The US might also provide some useful comparisons (despite the cultural differences), for a few reasons:<br />
1.	many ‘suitably sized’ cities in the US have similar climates to Brisbane and Perth and some are more similar to us in some respects (e.g. % social housing, subdivision techniques, ethnicity, density) than some Canadian (or NZ) jurisdictions, although some are very different indeed, particularly with respect to race;<br />
2.	the US is merely ‘further along the curve’ with respect to some trends than Australian (or European) cities, rather than being subject to fundamentally different development forces (again, this is not a general observation; it holds true for fewer trends in my view than many Australian developers would acknowledge);<br />
3.	because the US is seen as such a strong model by Australian developers (even if this is overstated as noted above) there is an element of ‘self-fulfilling prophesy’ to forecasts about Australia following US trends, however, this does not diminish the impact of such ‘follow the leader’ behaviour.  The US-based (and US-centric, though becoming less so) ULI remains the most important source of information to Australian developers about real estate trends;<br />
4.	perhaps some of the differences (e.g. in institutional arrangements, culture, etc.) will have as much to teach us as the similarities?<br />
5.	Dr Doug McTaggert of QIC often makes reference to the ‘Anglo economies’ for comparisons, because the economic performance of the US, UK, Canada and Australia (he doesn’t include NZ!) are so closely tied together.  Given that real estate development and economic conditions generally are also closely related, it might be worth selecting a basket of cities from the Anglo economies (including NZ of course!)<br />
A number of others have pointed out that &#8216;the Portland planning story&#8217; is largely a marketing phenomenon, so I won&#8217;t belabour the point; I will merely suggest that we attempt to identify some useful US comparitors in a systematic fashion?</p>
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		<title>By: Jarrett</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An additional similarity, not noted by Humphreys, is that all of these cities have an integrated regional transportation planning agency with direct responsibility for public transport.  These agencies seem to be easier to create at the scale of these cities than in larger and more unwieldy ones.  No such agency exists for Sydney or for most of the larger metropolitan areas in the USA and Canada.  Such agencies that do exist in regions of that scale tend to have much more attenuated powers, in deference to sub-regional or state-level power centers that pre-existed them.  Most of these agencies are quite new; only in Portland is this structure more than 20 years old.   

Re the inclusion of Portland:  Portland stands out as a planning mecca in the USA in part because it consciously chose a different path that valued public space, urban consolidation, and public transport.  More importantly, it made this choice in the 1970s when almost all USA cities of comparable size were continuing to decentralize and devalue the public realm, as opposed to the 1990s when &quot;new urbanism&quot; became more broadly fashionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional similarity, not noted by Humphreys, is that all of these cities have an integrated regional transportation planning agency with direct responsibility for public transport.  These agencies seem to be easier to create at the scale of these cities than in larger and more unwieldy ones.  No such agency exists for Sydney or for most of the larger metropolitan areas in the USA and Canada.  Such agencies that do exist in regions of that scale tend to have much more attenuated powers, in deference to sub-regional or state-level power centers that pre-existed them.  Most of these agencies are quite new; only in Portland is this structure more than 20 years old.   </p>
<p>Re the inclusion of Portland:  Portland stands out as a planning mecca in the USA in part because it consciously chose a different path that valued public space, urban consolidation, and public transport.  More importantly, it made this choice in the 1970s when almost all USA cities of comparable size were continuing to decentralize and devalue the public realm, as opposed to the 1990s when &#8220;new urbanism&#8221; became more broadly fashionable.</p>
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